Making Light: Bleeping huge security hole ::: May 19, 2004, 10:15 PM Teresa, when you wrote ... when I said "he doesn't know a bare pope from a hole full of shinola" I was jamming together several well-known phrases: ... you left out Is the pope Polish? which I acclaim the cream of your jest. If you didn't notice it, I'll tell you that my best puns are not consciously meant, either. els: I can't imagine giving someone advice to lie. That's just so BAD. If he really believes in his advice, he presumably takes it, and lies. And if he doesn't believe in his advice, he's lying. Is he Epimenides, or is he a Cretan?