Newsgroups: rec.puzzles, sci.math Followup-To: rec.puzzles From: hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey) Date: 24 Jul 91 14:00:25 GMT Subject: Re: A Puzzling Catalyst (Spoiler, but the puzzle continues) cos...@bbn.com (Bernie Cosell) writes: >dcasa...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald J Casadonte) writes: >}The will al[l]otted specific portions of the cattle the sheik had >}owned to go to each son. To the oldest, 1/2 of the cattle were to >}be given. To the next oldest, 1/3 were to be given, and to the >}youngest, 1/9 were to be given. >}"Look, suppose I give you one of my cattle to put in with your >}own... [divide them up] and then I will take my cattle back..." >What is happening, of course, is that the will ... only allocated >17/18ths of the flock. By having the denominator have interesting >factors you can hide the omission pretty well. So let's pick another >good-multiplier at random: say 24. So we need to add up to 23/24ths, >and so we can do it with 12, 8, 3. ... > his flock was five, and he bequeathed 1/2 to one son and 1/3 to the > other.... Or even, suppose he bequeathed half of his only cow to his only son! I wonder if we should count the case where he had neither cattle nor sons? >his flock was 23 and to his five sons he bequeathed 1/3, 1/4, 1/6, >1/8 and 1/12 of his flock. The unstated criterion here is that the will uses Egyptian fractions (the numerators are all one). So the question here is for which numbers N are there factors of N adding to N-1? It certainly works for any power of 2, by taking all the proper factors. In fact 2^K is the smallest K-son number. Bernie noted N=6; this is the largest two-son number. What is the largest three-son number? (In case you need a hint, V pbhyq gryy lbh ohg gung jbhyq tvir gur nafjre njnl.) Note that twelve is a three-son number in two different ways: a sheik with eleven cattle could bequeath 1/2, 1/4, and 1/6 or 1/2, 1/3, and 1/12. What is the smallest three-way number? What is the smallest K-way K-son number (and what is the smallest K? They need not be the same solution, as far as I know. But then I'm not sure any exist). The big question is, is there an ODD K-son number (other than one)? I don't expect anyone knows, but this is not quite a famous unsolved problem. Is there any literature on this one? Dan Hoey Hoey@ETL.Army.Mil