Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:55:38 -0500
From: "Michael Walsh" <MJW at mail.press.jhu.edu>
To: <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net>
Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . .
Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net>

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mjw

>>> StrongL at MTMC.ARMY.MIL 02/25/02 02:53PM >>>
	Well, you can mention it to me since I'd like to find out more =
about
the Federalist Society myself.  Otherwise, be careful.  Someone might get
the vapors.  :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Cathy Green [mailto:dalek_cag at yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:49 PM
To: WSFA members
Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . .

So I guess I shouldn't be mention my membership in the
Federalist Society at WSFA meetings?
--- "Strong, Lee" <StrongL at MTMC.ARMY.MIL> wrote:
> Kit,
> 	Excellent commments on all points.  Yeah, I
> associate with military
> at work and play, and fans at WSFA and most cons,
> and the contrast is often
> startling.  Several years ago, I casually refered to
> "my right wing friends"
> in a WSFA conversation, and people visibly flinched
> at the thought of beings
> more right wing than "Lee on the Right."
> 	People who watch _Starship Troopers_ for the shower
> scene should
> probably be watching other forms of literature.  I
> usually treat Verhoven's
> _Starship Troopers_ as a separate work from
> Heinlein's novel -- more so than
> the usual adaptation -- and watch it for itself.
> 	How about writing a review of _Black Hawk Down_
> (movie and/or book)
> for _The WSFA Journal_?  Spread your wings!
> =09
> Lee (on the Right)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kit Mason [mailto:kit at hers.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:02 AM
> To: WSFA members
> Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . .
> .
>=20
>=20
> "Strong, Lee" wrote:
> >=20
> > Kit,
> >         My apologies.  I run into so many WSFAns
> who don't know the
> > differences that I automatically offered advice
> without knowing that it
> was
> > unnecessary.  The cultures of some fans of science
> fiction and fans of
> > militaria are **so DIFFERENT**.
> >         A friend of mine claimed that _Black Hawk
> Down_ was similar to
> > _Starship Troopers_ because the low tech Somali
> mobs attacking the
> > numerically inferior high tech Americans and Paks
> resembled van Verhoven's
> > Bugs attacking the M.I.  "Bugs, Mr. Rico!=20
> Zillions of them!  I'm'a
> burning
> > them down!"  Heck!  The Rangers even refered to
> the Somalis as
> Skinnies...!
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>=20
> Lee,
>=20
> Not a problem.  I know what you mean about different
> cultures; it gets
> very interesting being in several at a time.
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> BHD does have similarities to ST in that way, but
> there it ends for me.=20
> When Verhoeven made ST, he dumped all of the
> critique of society's roles
> and the political system that were in the book and
> changed it all to a
> purely fascist state (heavily pointed out by the
> Nazi-type uniforms on
> the officers in the 'newscasts' toward the end of
> the movie).  BHD's
> political background was simplified -- how else to
> fit at least fifty
> pages of politics into a few minutes introduction --
> but it was still
> there and provided some level of context for the
> movie.  Also, the
> primary technical consultants for Black Hawk Down
> were the Rangers and
> Delta Force members who *survived* the events being
> portrayed.  They
> left in the crazyness -- the woman sheltering
> children in the school,
> the donkey cart going down the street between
> battles -- as well as the
> humanity; I have a much higher sense of reality
> taking place with BHD,
> and of the people in the movie being *people* as
> opposed to pretty
> cardboard cutouts without sense or character, as in
> ST.  (I know one
> person who went to see ST four times just for the
> shower scene.)
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> I originally read Black Hawk Down when it was
> published as research for
> some fanfiction stories I was working on, and it
> gives an excellent
> portrait of the kind of men who become Rangers, the
> training they go
> through, and the mindset they bring with them.  I
> recommend it highly.
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> Kit
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kit Mason [mailto:kit at hers.com]=20
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:13 AM
> > To: WSFA members
> > Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort .
> . .
> >=20
> > "Strong, Lee" wrote:
> > >
> > >         No, dear lady, you are confusing small
> arms or side arms, long
> > arms,
> > > and field pieces.  In addition, "the stuff you
> trip over at Gettysburg
> or
> > > Masasses" is obsolete and is of interest to
> historical collectors only.
> > > Further, your estimaable spouse is confusing
> toys (dueling pistols) and
> > > fictional items (anything to do with Mr. deGriz)
> with serious weapons.
> If
> > > you're interested in this subject, I highly
> recommend _Black Hawk Down_
> --
> > > sort of _Starship Troopers_ with an all human
> cast.
> >=20
> > Lee, I know the difference -- I was twitting Steve
> because he mentioned
> > to me a while back a duel in which the choice of
> weapon was not sword or
> > pistols but 'armies'.  As far as whether it's
> obsolete -- if it still
> > works, it counts for me.  (I still know my basic
> swordplay from grad
> > school, when I studied tai chi sword.)  I've both
> read and seen _Black
> > Hawk Down_, and I think it's a damn sight better
> than _Starship
> > Troopers_ in more ways than I can count.
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> > Kit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kit Mason [mailto:kit at hers.com]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:00 PM
> > > To: WSFA members
> > > Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort
> . . .
> > >
> > > Steve Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Strong, Lee" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >         Among my peer group, a 45 is a small
> caliber sidearm.  /s/
> Lee
> > > on
> > > > > the Right
> > > >
> > > > Sheesh!  What would be a *large* caliber
> sidearm?  A 50 caliber
> dueling
> > > > pistol?  Slippery Jim deGriz's 75 caliber
> recoilless?
> > >
> > > Musket.  Goose gun.  Cannon.  Field artillery
> pieces.  You know, the
> > > stuff you trip over at Gettysburg or Manasses...
> > >
> > > Kit
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > kit at hers.com=20
> > > Kit's Concatenation:=20
> http://concatenation.blogspot.com/=20
> > >
> > > "Don't you know by now that Nietzschians hold
> the truth in high regard?
> > > So high,
> > > in fact, that we're extremely cautious about how
> it's employed." -- Tyr
> > > Anasazi
> >=20
> > --
> >=20
> > kit at hers.com=20
> > Kit's Concatenation:=20
> http://concatenation.blogspot.com/=20
> > A Twist of Wry --=20
> http://www.mrks.org/~kit/index.html=20
> > Kit's Works --
> http//www.kitsworks.com/stories/index.htm=20
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