Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:44:43 -0500 To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net> From: Candy Madigan <candymadigan at mindspring.com> Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . . Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net> Are you kidding!?!!! I'm in the military! (meant as humor) At 06:52 PM 02/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: >As little as possible! > >Erica > >-----Original Message----- >From: lee gilliland [mailto:leeandalexis at hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:25 PM >To: WSFAlist at keithlynch.net >Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . . > >Do any of you guys do any real work? Just curious. > >Disguised as a Slytherin > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Strong, Lee" <StrongL at MTMC.ARMY.MIL> >Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net> >To: "'WSFA members'" <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net> >Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . . >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:14:55 -0500 > >Thank you. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Walsh [mailto:MJW at mail.press.jhu.edu] >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:56 PM >To: WSFAlist at keithlynch.net >Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . . > >via google: http://www.fed-soc.org/ > >mjw > > >>> StrongL at MTMC.ARMY.MIL 02/25/02 02:53PM >>> > Well, you can mention it to me since I'd like to find out more = >about >the Federalist Society myself. Otherwise, be careful. Someone might get >the vapors. :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cathy Green [mailto:dalek_cag at yahoo.com]=20 >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:49 PM >To: WSFA members >Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . . > >So I guess I shouldn't be mention my membership in the >Federalist Society at WSFA meetings? >--- "Strong, Lee" <StrongL at MTMC.ARMY.MIL> wrote: > > Kit, > > Excellent commments on all points. Yeah, I > > associate with military > > at work and play, and fans at WSFA and most cons, > > and the contrast is often > > startling. Several years ago, I casually refered to > > "my right wing friends" > > in a WSFA conversation, and people visibly flinched > > at the thought of beings > > more right wing than "Lee on the Right." > > People who watch _Starship Troopers_ for the shower > > scene should > > probably be watching other forms of literature. I > > usually treat Verhoven's > > _Starship Troopers_ as a separate work from > > Heinlein's novel -- more so than > > the usual adaptation -- and watch it for itself. > > How about writing a review of _Black Hawk Down_ > > (movie and/or book) > > for _The WSFA Journal_? Spread your wings! > > =09 > > Lee (on the Right) > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kit Mason [mailto:kit at hers.com]=20 > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:02 AM > > To: WSFA members > > Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . . > > . > >=20 > >=20 > > "Strong, Lee" wrote: > > >=20 > > > Kit, > > > My apologies. I run into so many WSFAns > > who don't know the > > > differences that I automatically offered advice > > without knowing that it > > was > > > unnecessary. The cultures of some fans of science > > fiction and fans of > > > militaria are **so DIFFERENT**. > > > A friend of mine claimed that _Black Hawk > > Down_ was similar to > > > _Starship Troopers_ because the low tech Somali > > mobs attacking the > > > numerically inferior high tech Americans and Paks > > resembled van Verhoven's > > > Bugs attacking the M.I. "Bugs, Mr. Rico!=20 > > Zillions of them! I'm'a > > burning > > > them down!" Heck! The Rangers even refered to > > the Somalis as > > Skinnies...! > >=20 > >=20 > > Lee, > >=20 > > Not a problem. I know what you mean about different > > cultures; it gets > > very interesting being in several at a time. > >=20 > > BHD does have similarities to ST in that way, but > > there it ends for me.=20 > > When Verhoeven made ST, he dumped all of the > > critique of society's roles > > and the political system that were in the book and > > changed it all to a > > purely fascist state (heavily pointed out by the > > Nazi-type uniforms on > > the officers in the 'newscasts' toward the end of > > the movie). BHD's > > political background was simplified -- how else to > > fit at least fifty > > pages of politics into a few minutes introduction -- > > but it was still > > there and provided some level of context for the > > movie. Also, the > > primary technical consultants for Black Hawk Down > > were the Rangers and > > Delta Force members who *survived* the events being > > portrayed. They > > left in the crazyness -- the woman sheltering > > children in the school, > > the donkey cart going down the street between > > battles -- as well as the > > humanity; I have a much higher sense of reality > > taking place with BHD, > > and of the people in the movie being *people* as > > opposed to pretty > > cardboard cutouts without sense or character, as in > > ST. (I know one > > person who went to see ST four times just for the > > shower scene.) > >=20 > > I originally read Black Hawk Down when it was > > published as research for > > some fanfiction stories I was working on, and it > > gives an excellent > > portrait of the kind of men who become Rangers, the > > training they go > > through, and the mindset they bring with them. I > > recommend it highly. > >=20 > > Kit > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kit Mason [mailto:kit at hers.com]=20 > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:13 AM > > > To: WSFA members > > > Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort . > > . . > > >=20 > > > "Strong, Lee" wrote: > > > > > > > > No, dear lady, you are confusing small > > arms or side arms, long > > > arms, > > > > and field pieces. In addition, "the stuff you > > trip over at Gettysburg > > or > > > > Masasses" is obsolete and is of interest to > > historical collectors only. > > > > Further, your estimaable spouse is confusing > > toys (dueling pistols) and > > > > fictional items (anything to do with Mr. deGriz) > > with serious weapons. > > If > > > > you're interested in this subject, I highly > > recommend _Black Hawk Down_ > > -- > > > > sort of _Starship Troopers_ with an all human > > cast. > > >=20 > > > Lee, I know the difference -- I was twitting Steve > > because he mentioned > > > to me a while back a duel in which the choice of > > weapon was not sword or > > > pistols but 'armies'. As far as whether it's > > obsolete -- if it still > > > works, it counts for me. (I still know my basic > > swordplay from grad > > > school, when I studied tai chi sword.) I've both > > read and seen _Black > > > Hawk Down_, and I think it's a damn sight better > > than _Starship > > > Troopers_ in more ways than I can count. > > >=20 > > > Cheers, > > > Kit > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kit Mason [mailto:kit at hers.com]=20 > > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:00 PM > > > > To: WSFA members > > > > Subject: [WSFA] Re: Fwd: [BCI] Wisdom, of a sort > > . . . > > > > > > > > Steve Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Strong, Lee" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my peer group, a 45 is a small > > caliber sidearm. /s/ > > Lee > > > > on > > > > > > the Right > > > > > > > > > > Sheesh! What would be a *large* caliber > > sidearm? A 50 caliber > > dueling > > > > > pistol? Slippery Jim deGriz's 75 caliber > > recoilless? > > > > > > > > Musket. Goose gun. Cannon. Field artillery > > pieces. You know, the > > > > stuff you trip over at Gettysburg or Manasses... > > > > > > > > Kit > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > kit at hers.com=20 > > > > Kit's Concatenation:=20 > > http://concatenation.blogspot.com/=20 > > > > > > > > "Don't you know by now that Nietzschians hold > > the truth in high regard? > > > > So high, > > > > in fact, that we're extremely cautious about how > > it's employed." -- Tyr > > > > Anasazi > > >=20 > > > -- > > >=20 > > > kit at hers.com=20 > > > Kit's Concatenation:=20 > > http://concatenation.blogspot.com/=20 > > > A Twist of Wry --=20 > > http://www.mrks.org/~kit/index.html=20 > > > Kit's Works -- > > http//www.kitsworks.com/stories/index.htm=20 > >=20 >=3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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