To: WSFAlist at keithlynch.net Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:14:56 -0400 Subject: [WSFA] Re: Spam Suggestion From: ronkean at juno.com Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at keithlynch.net> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:17:25 -0400 (EDT) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl at KeithLynch.net> writes: > What's the point in enacting new laws when existing laws aren't > being > enforced? And CAN'T be enforced, since the amount of spam is so > utterly overwhelming. If they hired the whole population of the > world > as police, and each new cop were to process one complaint per hour, > they still couldn't keep up. > While it may be fair enough to lament the fact that existing laws are not being enforced re spam, I don't see that the large volume of spam precludes enforcement against spammers of existing laws, but rather that enforcement is difficult for other reasons. Many drivers, even perhaps most drivers, exceed the posted speed limit sometimes, and the fact that millions of drivers frequently violate that law does not stop police from ticketing speeders. Indeed, the reality that police do ticket speeders surely has an effect on how fast drivers choose to drive. The letter in the Post pointed out that spammers could be identified and located by examining the trail left by the payments they accept. But first, it should be noted that spamming itself is not illegal, just as junk mail is not illegal. And it would be difficult to legislate criminal penalties for spamming, since such a law would require defining spam in a way which would withstand a constitutional challenge. The law against junk faxing authorizes civil suits against junk faxers, not criminal penalties. Under that law, junk fax is defined as unsolicited fax messages sent to a party with whom the sender does not have an existing business relationship. Criminal penalties for fraud can be very severe, so that might be a good way to attack spam under the law, for spam which is in fact fraudulent. There are two broad categories of fraudulent spam: one is where payments are processed and accrue to the spammer or the associated business entity, but the product is not delivered as promised or is misrepresented (e.g a money chain letter), and the other where the payment may or may not be processed normally, but the information (credit card number, bank account number) is used for fraudulent purposes. Vigorously investigating and prosecuting fraudulent spam would presumably have an effect on that particular type of spam, but I am skeptical that that would stop fraudulent spam, since it seems that what it would mainly do is leave the field open for fraudulent spammers to operate from countries where the laws are not being enforced. Ron Kean . ________________________________________________________________