From: "Ted White" <twhite8 at cox.net>
To: "WSFA members" <WSFAlist at WSFA.org>
Subject: [WSFA] Re: Goodbye?
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:46:18 -0400
Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at WSFA.org>

----- Original Message -----
From: <chuck.divine at att.net>
To: <WSFAList at wsfa.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: [WSFA] Goodbye?

> I really don't need this.
>
> OK, especially Ted and Keith, try looking at this whole exchange from my
perspective.
>
> I'm a friendly guy.  I issue a friendly invitation.  I acknowledge the
conflict with Capclave.  There's nothing I can do about the conflict.
>
> What do I get?  A reply from Keith I can only describe as insulting and
consdescending.  Ditto from Ted.

=======

*My* response to your follow-up post in which you raged on about Keith, was
this (in whole):

"'Narrowness' is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.   This post is Strike
Two, as far as I'm concerned.  Again, not very smart.  Keith has reiterated
(at least once a month) that he accepts only plain text email for this
list.   Most of us live with this quite comfortably.   And our posts here
aren't littered with extraneous symbols."

"Insulting"?  "Condescending"?  There have been far more insulting posts to
this list, one of which was from, what was his name?  Oh yes:  Chuck
Divine.  I was in fact responding to that post.

=======

[...]

> So, Ted, you're a pro and a big name fan.  You once edited Amazing.  Yes,
I've heard of it.  I might have even read an issue or two.  The world of SF
is huge.  SF is hardly a central thing in my life.  I think SF is important
and interesting -- but it's not, by a long shot, as important and
interesting as some people involved with it think it is.
>
> Ted, let me give you a piece of e-mail etiquette.  It's considered
improper to post to a general e-mail list a personal message.  I was
angry -- understandably so, I think -- with your and Keith's evident
hostility.  I sent the message directly to you.  If I had wanted to
broadcast the message to the list, I would have done so.  You were totally
out of line with that posting.

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I disagree.   Your intemperate post was directly in response to my post
quoted (by me) above.  It began with "I don't know who the hell you are."
and ended with "Go to bloody hell."

You may characterize yourself as "warm and friendly," but that's not the
face you presented to me.   I felt other members of this list deserved to
see how you responded to posts on the list from people you claimed you
didn't know.   Plus, you pissed me off.   You'll just have to live with the
consequences of that, won't you?   You add, in your present post, "I've
been reducing my involvement in SF fandom for at least a decade."  I'd
suggest that you've found a sure-fire, guaranteed way to do that.

--Ted White