Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:01:57 -0500 From: "Michael Walsh" <mjw at press.jhu.edu> To: <WSFAlist at WSFA.org> Subject: [WSFA] Re: Third oldest . . . [WAS: Re: [WSFA] Re: Minutes of the November 19th meeting are online] Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at WSFA.org> Sorry about the top posting, but GroupWiise remote is rather limited... I suspect the 3rd oldest may also refer to WSFA, as a club. LASFS - PSFS - and are CFG & WSFA almost the same age? 3rd? 4th? mjw In London, back on Monday >>> twhite8 at cox.net 11/27/04 4:01 AM >>> Keith has already made my point for me, but I was thinking of Cincinnati's Midwestcon, which also started in 1950 -- but earlier in the year, I believe -- and, more importantly, has occurred annually without interruption ever since. It was and is the original "Relaxicon," and was an instant success as a weekend convention (something Disclave didn't aspire to until it was revived in 1958). I'm sorry if my paranthetical remark diverts attention from your main point, Elspeth. It is absolutely true that it was by far the most important issue. To return to it, I underscore the importance of openess and candidness at SMOFcon -- within the correct context, of course (looking for worthwhile advice). --Ted White