From: MarkLFischer at aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:53:08 EST Subject: [WSFA] Public Transportation and Other Outrages To: WSFAlist at WSFA.org Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at WSFA.org> In a message dated 3/13/2005 4:50:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, kfl at KeithLynch.net writes: >> In a society where you can't know everyone personally, but where >> there is need to be able to individually identify people at times, >> some form of identification is going to be mandatory in many >> instances. > >How did people do it before there were drivers licenses? And how >have I managed to do without any such ID? (Well, ok, I do have an >expired passport, but I've only used it for international travel.) Unless you're operating a motor vehicle or trying to get aboard a commercial aircraft or train, I believe the law only requires that you identify yourself to a police officer on demand, not that you provide documentation. The ACLU website has some handy educational material on the subject. As long as you don't lie to the cops, they don't *legally* have a complaint. Of course, the police officer may have different ideas on the subject. You may be subjected to some inconvenience and discomfort to prove your point. Firearms are another example of the same principle. Here in Virginia, no permit is required to carry a firearm unconcealed (certain restrictions apply), but unless you're in an area like Richmond that has been "broken in" by activists who do it all the time, be prepared to deal with panicky citizens and cops. I usually leave the heat at home, since I rarely have the time to waste sitting in holding cells or filling out paperwork to get my property back, and many of my destinations are either in places where I can't legally carry, like Maryland or DC, or my hosts would object, like the Gillilands. We live in remote suburbs, and Robin commutes to DC every weekday. She used to drive, and was forced onto the local public transportation options when her car broke down. It took a bit longer, but she found it so much easier and less stressful that she kept on riding the bus even after the car was repaired. Now, we won't consider living in an area that doesn't have good commuter transit links, whether bus or train. Mark