Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:09:56 -0400 To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at WSFA.org> From: "Mike B." <omni at omniphile.com> Subject: [WSFA] Re: pinwheel in space At 10:42 PM 6/21/05 -0400, Keith F. Lynch wrote: >"Mike B." <omni at omniphile.com> wrote: >> Madeleine Yeh wrote: >>> What do you mean by mean time? Should some of us > >> Probably the usual meaning. Since there's no evidence that the >> universe had a beginning or will have an end, every time is the >> median time of existence. > >Median isn't the same as mean. And there is strong evidence that the >universe had a beginning, 13.7 billion years ago. Median (mid-point) and mean (average) are the same in this case. We are talking about infinite time after all, so there will always be an infinite amount of future and past at any point, making the present the median at all times, as well as the average (infinity over infinity). The Big Bang doesn't necessarily mark the beginning of the universe, even if the theory is right (and I'm not at all sure it is). It simply marks the event that seems to have resulted in the matter and energy in the universe being distributed as we see it today. The universe may have existed for infinite time before that event, either empty, or in prior cycles of big bangs, or in some other form that we have no way of learning about now. >Getting back to the subject line, no signal has been received from the >solar sail spacecraft. It's too soon to give up all hope, but it's >not looking good. No, it's not. I wonder where the problem is? Design? Construction? Launch? Deployment? >Has nobody but me noticed that the name "Cosmos-1" for a satellite >had already been used? (Google on "65S3".) That was Kosmos-1...and it wasn't the spacecraft name, that's the name of the launch vehicle. Launch vehicle names and spacecraft names should be in separate nomenclatures IMO. I don't think that the Apollo program has removed the ability for us to send 5 missions to Saturn for instance. -- Mike B. -- Heisenberg may have slept here.