Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:26:28 -0500
To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at KeithLynch.net>, <WSFAlist at KeithLynch.net>
From: "Mike B." <omni at omniphile.com>
Subject: [WSFA] Re: Email issues...
Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at KeithLynch.net>

At 12/20/2006 12:04 PM, Michael Walsh wrote:

> >Why do you post to it?  The WSFA wars are over.  The good guys
> >won.

Actually, I'd say that everyone lost to one extent or another.

> >The Yahoo group might as well be shut down now.

I don't see that happening any time soon.  The purported reason for
the change was to have the "official" WSFA list on a system that WSFA
controlled, and since you'd left WSFA having you host it didn't fit
that requirement any longer.  I'm still puzzled as to how Yahoo is
better, since Yahoo isn't a WSFA member either, and specifically
prohibits use of their mailing list/forums for "corporate" purposes
(isn't WSFA incorporated and therefore inelligigble?) but whatever.

>There are a few folks - and no, I don't recall how many - who are on
>only the Yahoo list (and conversely, a few only on the Original List).
>So be it.  I have no problem posting my "entertainments" and other stuff
>to both lists.  Some folks reply only from Yahoo or Original, some reply
>to both.  For those who reply only to one list, I confine my responses
>to whatever list they've responded to, since that seems the right thing
>to do. (Yes, I am making an assumption that folks are making a
>conscience decision and it's not some aspect of their email reader.)

I'm only on this list.  That means that if someone posts to both, and
I reply to both, I'll get a bounce from Yahoo telling me that since
I'm not subscribed to that list, I can't post to it.  Sometimes I
forget and post to both and get the bounce message, and sometimes I
remember to cut the Yahoo list address from the reply, but either
way, you won't see any replies from me on that "other" list unless
someone who is on it quotes me there.

>But as for closing the Yahoo group... oh no, let us not.  It's quite
>useful.
>
>Useful? you ask.
>
>Yes... because the WSFA Yahoo Group is a publicly accessible group,
>ANYONE can read the messages.

Unless I'm misremembering, this list is archived in publicly
available format too.  You just can't *post* here unless you are a
past or present WSFA member.

>I should note that I have no problem with the WSFA Yahoo Group being
>publicly accessible.  I do appreciate the concerns that people have over
>Yahoo's kowtowing to the mainland Chinese gov't.

And the fact that what you post on that group could be considered
illegal in any or all of the places Yahoo chooses to store it (their
server locations), and that some or all of those places might choose
to indict you for it, and attempt extradition?  Even though the US
won't extradite for things like that today, no telling what might
happen in the future with things like the "World Court", right?  It
could limit your travel options anyway.  This list is just stored at
Keith's place in Virginia, and while they sometimes have really
stupid old fashioned laws in Virginia, they are nowhere near as rabid
about speech as China is.  Or perhaps other places Yahoo has, or will
have, servers.

-- Mike B.
--
"The state calls its own violence `law', but that of the individual
`crime'" -- Max Stirner