Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl at KeithLynch.net> To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at WSFA.org> Subject: [WSFA] Frames, Bylaws, Engagement, etc. Reply-To: WSFA members <WSFAlist at WSFA.org> "Barry L. Newton" <bnewton at ashcomp.com> wrote: > I seem to have some recollection of a link on the frames page to the > non-frames version, but can't swear to it. Ok, what I said yesterday wasn't quite correct. wsfa.htm is both the "frames" and "no frames" main page for people with frames-compatible browsers. If they go to index.htm, they'll get menu.htm on the left of their browser window, and wsfa.htm on the right, and won't see the contents of index.htm anywhere. If they go to wsfa.htm, they'll get wsfa.htm on the whole browser window. (If they go to WSFA.HTM, they'll get a 404 error, page not found.) When someone with a NON-frames compatible browser (or with Lynx, which handles frames in an unusual way) goes to index.htm, they will get the actual *contents* of index.htm, which are invisible to everyone else. The contents of index.htm are identical to the contents of wsfa.htm, except that index.htm also contains an exhortation to upgrade to a frames-compatible browser, text I inherited from John Pomeranz and never bothered to remove. > It is mildly surprising that you posted those pages with the .htm > suffix (windows convention) vs the .html suffix which would be more > unix-centric. Until last month, when we moved from Hosting.com to Panix.com, the site was on an NT system, so .html would not have worked. On Unix, either will work. In other words, when someone goes to http://www.wsfa.org/, they will get http://www.wsfa.org/index.html if it exists (which it does not), otherwise they will get http://www.wsfa.org/index.htm. Actually, that depends on how the Unix system is set up. On our mirror site, http://keithlynch.net/wsfa/, it will only go to index.html. My personal pages all end with .html, but the WSFA mirror site pages all end with .htm. My solution was to use the "ln -s" command to create an index.html in every directory which is a zero-length soft pointer to index.htm. Changing all the .htm files to .html files would break far too many bookmarks and links from external sites, and wouldn't really gain us anything, so I don't plan to change them. Aren't you glad you asked? > I have no problem with it, but having the link to a non-frames > version is a courtesy I have seen on a number of sites. I've set up what should work as a frames/no-frames link in the "what's new" section of our main page. It's a little wonky, since it's basically a link back to itself. And I can't really test it from here. Please give it a try and report back. Thanks. Elspeth Kovar <ekovar at worldnet.att.net> wrote: > I was at first surprised that no one, especially those up for > election tomorrow, had commented on this and then realized that it > may be because folks are doing the same thing that I have: taking > time to look everything over before commenting. Nope. They've only been viewed by three people. One (presumably you) on AT&T, one on RCN or Erols, and one on Comcast. And the RCN user only viewed the bylaws, not the constitution. On the other hand, the RCN user searched for "facilities committee," as did the AT&T user, but not the Comcast person. One reason I didn't create any links to those documents is so that I could tell how many hits they were getting from WSFA members. Once I add links to them (as I just did), they will get hits from people all over the world. > One possible reason for the differences is that the bylaws have > replaced the constitution, ... No. These have always been distinct documents. (The constitution is also sometimes called the Articles of Incorporation.) My current best guess is that John inadvertently gave obsolete copies of the documents to Sam. I hope John is at tonight's meeting. After Sam put the bylaws in the WSFA Journal last year, I noticed that they still mentioned Disclave, and I made a motion (that passed) that "Disclave" be replaced with "the WSFA Convention". However it turns out that "Disclave" had *already* been removed from the version we voted to approve five years earlier! I will be bringing the hardcopy we approved in 1998 to tonight's meeting. Anyone else who got a copy of it, and can still find it, please bring your copy too. Thanks. I've created an "official business" page, and linked to it from the "what's new" section of our main page. It contains links not just to the current bylaws and constitution (which still contain my disclaimers that we're not yet sure they're correct), but to various past versions that have appeared in the WSFA Journal. It also has links to the minutes of all the meetings of the past 22 years, to lists of past and present officers, Disclaves and Capclaves, etc. And, last but not least, it contains a *new* *improved* frames or no-frames choice at the bottom. Please tell me if it works. Please compare it with the old unimproved choice at the bottom of our calendar of upcoming events (http://www.wsfa.org/calendar.htm). What works? What doesn't? Under what version of what browser? Thanks. Oh, on looking at that AT&T session that was presumably you, I noticed that you did indeed try to go to WSFA.HTM, as I had conjectured. All page names should be lowercase. Ivy Yap <yapivy at techemail.com> wrote: > Thanks for sharing the news Bill. Can somebody tell Lee and Alexis? > I don't think they're on the WSFA list. They're not. I will be sure and announce it at tonight's meeting if nobody beats me to it, and if my voice hasn't given out by then. The Gillilands are not the only WSFAns who aren't on this list. Please tell your fiance that I had to remove him from this list, as his address (jkling at nasw.org) stopped working. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.